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Welcome, friends. The Heart Rate Variability Podcast. I'm Matt Bennett. I'm here with Zuzu today.
Karen Arms, welcome to the show.
Reading about your, your journey, your work. I'm really excited to connect that to heart rate variability today. So I'm really excited to meet you. Welcome. And before we dive in, I'd love to just give an introduction of yourself to our listeners.
[00:01:00] Speaker B: You bet. Thank you, Matt. And for the listeners, you can already tell it's going to be a fun show because Matt is Mr. Happy, Joyful, share with the world, everything. That's why he's like on podcast 390 or something. Anyhow. And I of course love your guts. So he loves your heart. I love your guts. We can't go wrong. Anyhow. But my name is Karen, but I go by Zuzu. You can understand why. Anyhow, but I'm Zuzu. It's been my nickname for a long, long time. And I love your guts. So. So. And there's a reason. It's a reason because a lot of people don't realize how their bodies work. And to me, it's the most empowering thing to help people realize where their organs are and how they work and what they do.
So I'm really honored to be on the show today because of course I love the heart. Like you can't get better than that. And having dealt with heart rate variable issues in the past from trauma that I've experienced, it's really. And I still, once in a while will wake up with some of that trauma and my heart goes, you know, and I'm like, oh, I know how to solve this, you know, And I just sit up and I do my thing and take some more magnesium. And it's just interesting because once you know what's going on in the body, you don't fear. And probably, Matt, my biggest excitement is that if I can help take the fear out of an issue.
Awesome, right? Like, because I firmly believe the worst four letter F word is fear, right? F, E, A, R. That is the worst four letter F word. I don't care about the other one.
And so if Anybody's putting someone in fear, I'm like, oh, get rid of them. Oh, get rid of them. If it's your pastor, your, your whatever, some church leader, some medical leader, your doctor, your surgeon, anybody, your friend, your hus, your spouse, your wife, anybody, if you have anybody putting you in fear, get them out the door. That's not the person you want to heal with because you cannot heal in fear. The cell cannot heal in fear. Your cell in your body, every cell in your body. And you've got what, 50, 60 trillion of them. Well, plus all your bacterial cells. You've got like 90 trillion or 80 trillion of those. Love them, honey. But anyhow, your cells can only be in growth mode or in stop growing mode. A recess. And they go and they close up and they, they don't, they don't grow, they don't nourish, they don't, they don't continue to reproduce with cell memory in the proper order when you're in, in sympathetic mode. And so for me, taking fear out of a diagnosis and taking fear out of the kitchen and fear out of what am I going to do next? And fear out of religion or fear out of politics, we'll just ignore politics. I mean, you can't ignore it, but whatever. Just don't believe anything you're being told by the AP or any news station. But anyhow, but like, if remove fear, now we can heal. Now we can heal. And I just happen to have been able to witness thousands of people reversing dis ease, including myself. I reversed my epilepsy when I was 50. I reversed my scoliosis and then all the arthritis that was around the scoliosis. So I've watched so many people heal and I've had my own healing on my own journey. I've been able to witness amazing things even with some of our family members. So yeah, that's me.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I would love to talk a little bit if you don't mind sharing about your personal journey. Researching for this episode, I found that very inspiring and sort of not unusual to find people that maybe mainstream medicine just isn't quite giving them everything they need. So I'd love, if you don't mind sharing just a little bit of your journey as it brings us to the gut, which I can't wait to talk about, you betcha.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: Well, my journey was I grew up with epilepsy and so for years, actually I had seizures and we didn't know what they were. My mother, love her to pieces and she would reposition pillows and got me A water bath. They just did all these things, trying to figure out what is causing her to have these weird symptoms, these shakings and whatnot. And so when I was 12, she actually saw one, because I would have them on the bus or when she wasn't around, and they don't last terribly long. And then you just can't smell speak. And it was like I'd be all watery and I couldn't talk for, you know, 20 minutes to half an hour afterwards. So it's just weird. Anyhow. And so I was, you know, went to the hospital, did all your EKGs and all your testing, and boom, put on three medications for epilepsy. But when I got married, I was like, wait a minute. I don't want to be on medication. I don't want that. I want to regrow my synapses. I want to connect my, My, my neurons, right? I don't. I can, I can do something about this. And I had been exposed to natural health in college.
Not in college. I went to college for religion, radio and TV broadcasting, you know, had a ball.
But I, I met someone and I had my first green drink literally 40 years ago, Matt. So, like, I'm 58. When I was 18, drank my first green drink, and that's. And I had my exposure to the natural health world and gardens and glorious things.
So I went my natural. I went to the library and I started getting books because we didn't have the world Wide web. I know you young people can't even imagine, but old people remember. Anyhow, and I just was able to reverse my epileps with food. Like, literally with food. Now, now that I know what I'm doing, and I'm a holistic healthcare practitioner, and I've worked with countless people with epilepsy and Tourette's and shaking and extra Y chromosomes and whatnot. It was a GABA deficiency. Most epilepsy and seizures are. Which is why you have so much of it right now, because gaba's made in the gut. We destroyed our microbiome during COVID by everybody thrashing and taking baths and antibacterial everything. So now we have more GABA deficiency than ever, ever, ever in since the time I believe. So it's understandable. But it was really cool because I just followed my gut through all my books that I read, brought in a bunch of B vitamins, and then looking at the food that I ate, it was all rich in the building blocks for gaba. So I'm a practitioner who doesn't believe in just Giving you a hormone. I want to rebuild the system neurologically and the endocrine system to create what you were supposed to create in the first place. But if you don't have the building blocks, you can't.
Yes, you can come to my, my store online. You can see my store in person. And I will have gaba. I will definitely send people home with GABA to raise their levels while we're building it up again. But very, very cool. So that was my epileptic reversal. And then I was like, well, what else aren't they telling us? And then as people had health issues, I would just like research, research, you know, and, and I just started telling my friends or my family what you know and what happened. And I went down the cancer hole when, rabbit hole. When one of our family members, not my immediate family, but had cancer, I was like, okay, let me figure this out. And it was mind blowing. How much was out there that could help you reverse cancer? Like, well, how come they've never been told this? Like, how come I don't hear this? And unfortunately, after that diagnostic, my grandmother actually got colon cancer. And she died from colon cancer. And I can clearly tell you right now she might not be alive today because she'd be over 100, but she would definitely have lived another 15 years had I known then what I know now because yes, we've been able to help people get rid of colon cancer too, too. So it's cancer's cancer no matter where it is in the body. But it was really, really an interesting time. So then when I was, I've been helping all these people, opened up wellness centers and cafes and grocery stores and educational centers, opened up our online school of natural medicine. And then I was like, well, time to reverse my scoliosis. We can see if this works. And I had read about a German doctor who's long since died, but she was healing everyone's, everyone who came to her. She was able to reverse their scoliosis by really weird methods. Number one, she would have them stripped down to only underwear. And she would have them bend over furniture outside in the sun and do breathing. She would have them deep breathing while she was moving. Well now I, of course the fascia, she was releasing fascia that was holding the, you know, the spine in the, in the incorrect position.
So using deep breath and long, long meditative breath and stretching. So I was like, well I could do that in the hyperbari chamber and I can go for myofascia. So I went for myofascial work every single week for 18 months, almost 18 months. And then did hyperbaric and did a little bit of acupuncture, which is extremely effective, by the way. Please, please, please. Acupuncture is super amazing for the nervous system. And then chiropractic and boom, my scoliosis is gone. Before and after images can show that. So it's been really cool because again, when you know how the body works, then the fear is gone. Right. When the, when you know what's going on with the heart, it just, it helps to know what's going on and what it's doing.
And so I know you're like on episode 300 and something, so you probably heard everything. So I'm just here to like, boost you up and boost your. Boost your following up, because this is, it's exciting. I think this is the most exciting time I've had because I'm actually able to speak. Just three years ago, my entire TikTok with millions of views and followers and blah, blah, blah, was completely taken down after I uploaded one video and then even give me a warning. One video. Because the sun can't cause cancer. Because can't anyhow. And I explained why next day lost everything. Well, now you have everybody going out there, oh, sun can't cause cancer. Like, ah. So I just think that's great.
[00:10:12] Speaker A: Awesome. So I wonder when, you know, I'd love to learn a little bit more about coming to the gut, because that's something that I don't.
I mean, some physicians might know about it. I mean, it's still sort of on the cutting edge of.
You know, I, I got so fascinated with the gut and brain connection and then looking at the autonomic nervous system playing in to that. As I like to say that the only reason we talk about, like, the brain and the autonomic nervous system separate is because we've, we've separated them all. This is an integrated system and we need to look at a little bit more of that, in my opinion. But I'd love for you just to share a little bit about how you got, you know, obviously with epilepsy and looking at diet and nutrition. But just what, what was so fascinating about the gut and impact how you think about human beings?
[00:11:06] Speaker B: I love it. Well, I think the gut. I guess the first thing that stuck out to me when I was studying to become the HHP in all my research was the fact that you could like, literally pull the gu of your body and you can. I mean, it's like not even part of us. Like, you can just like, pull that 27 foot hose out.
I was like, blown away. I'm like, are you serious? You know, I thought that was, I mean, in a deer you can like. I mean, I see it all the time, you know, but I was just like, wow, it is its own world. And.
And so I was just fascinated with all of the chemistry of the gut and all the sphincters along the way and how every little, every little section of the gut does something different, you know, And I don't know, I just thought it was like a whole world and because what was happening in the gut is, is what was directly affecting me. Not able to make gaba. And so I was having seizures. It was gut related. And then as I studied, of course, and found out, well, a lot of heart issues are related, Endocrine issues, gut related, nervous systems, obviously gut related. And I was like, wait a minute. So I'm a big, big preacher on acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine. Hello, 5,000 years, guys. They know what they're doing. Okay, so.
And then chiropathy. And then I was like, okay, it's all the gut. Everything's also the gut too. Like, it just all goes together. And to me right now, I see it all the time. Acupuncture, chiropecy, and fixing the gut. And you've just got a whole new human being. And my tastiest way to fix the gut, of course, is in the kitchen. But to me, you can reverse a lot of dis. Ease in the kitchen. I've seen it and I do it. I love the kitchen. My passion is definitely helping people learn how to operate in a kitchen, how to make incredible food. But that gut, that microbiome is so fragile. And it's really cool because right now in our school, which is international, I think you can take it in 113 languages now, something crazy. But a third of our students are medical doctors and nurses, and they're from, they're from the medical world because we teach something different than John Thomas. We teach things that are missing from medical school.
It's great that they're going to get 40 hours in nutrition now. Thank you, RFK Jr. But that's not enough. You know, there's still so much more. So it's been really neat for me because I'll tell you, I was intimidated. The first time I presented my program, it wasn't online yet. It was in person. And I had a doctor in the audience, I had a couple doctors in the audience. And I was like, here's this chick with a Flower in her hair in 2010 presenting on how the body functions and what EMFs do to the body and all the or it was to. To people who are like, obviously have hundreds of thousands of dollars education I chose not to take.
And it went great because, Matt, they didn't know and a lot of them still don't know. So my phone is full of medical doctors that I love and love me.
And I think the world is really waking up to how Western and Eastern medicine, traditional Western medicine of what, a couple hundred years is merging with eastern philosophies and medicines of 5,000 years. And we're kind of able to do this now. So yes, we need modern medicine, yes, we need modern diagnostic tools, yes, we need probably 17% of pharmaceuticals. That's about as far as I go. But yes, we need them, you know, and then, wow, if we start bridging Western Eastern medicine for good.
We've seen it, We've seen it, my daughter and I, our students, and it's amazing.
[00:14:31] Speaker A: Very cool. So I'm curious, when did you hear about heart rate variability?
You know, obviously the autonomic nervous system and the gut and the brain, you know, all, all these interconnected parts. But I'm just curious about your journey to when. When did HRV pop up on your radar? And yeah, just curious about how you utilize HRV to, to inform your work or. Or other. Other ways you. You use it.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: Okay, two stories. Buckle your seatbelt. So in I don't even know what year, but several years ago, our youngest daughter, her name is Lily, she was born, obviously, and within a few months we knew something was off. But she was great. Super little sparky little thing. But she couldn't eat any sugar at all, like, not even grain, so no fruit, no sugar. And I was like, okay, that's cool. I know what I'm already practicing at this point. I had thousands of clients anyhow, and so. But I noticed that something still wasn't right. And then when she was about 12, 11, 12 years old, the entire control of her autonomic nervous system just stopped. And so she would stop swallowing, she stopped breathing, her lungs would stop expanding, she couldn't. Her stomach would just not function at all digestively.
Her estuary system, so urinating, having bowel movements, everything just stopped. And I was like, good Lord, you know, and this is what I do for a living. I've written a book on 120 different modalities of natural healing. I teach all of it.
And we just started going through all the things that it could be right La la la la. And it was about four and a half years until I figured out I heard the word dysautonomia.
And so. And dysautonomia. Most medical doctors had no idea what it was. I asked all of them I could find even. Even at Children's Hospital, but no one knew what dysautonomia was. It was a death sentence from the 1800s. That's what I've since learned. And so when I went down the road about dysautonomia, I'm like, wait a minute, my daughter has eds, she has pot, she has all that. All came under the umbrella of dysautonomia.
So of course, I dove right into dysautonomy, was able to help reverse that. She got out of bed after pretty much four and a half years. She would get up and go, like to school for a month, and then that was it. She'd have to go back home. So it was a very interesting journey, but it's been amazing. That's reverse. She's a florist, she's married. She's amazing. And her name is Lily. We opened up the retreat center called Lily Fields in Georgia. So we celebrate her life all the time. But that is when I got introduced to pots and then. And heart rate variability obviously is. That's what a part huge portion is. And the tilt testing, et cetera. And it was interesting because shortly after that, I was speaking somewhere and there was a heart bilia video tester there. I was like, okay, I'll go to my HRV and see what happens. And I had an issue. And then he said words to me. He said, karen, it could be this, could be that, but what else happened to you when you're laying down? And I just lost it because I had been abused for years and so not by my family. My parents are amazing. My immediate family is amazing, right? Just love them all to pieces. But anyhow. And so that's when I was like, okay. And I will tell you, I've not shared that story with anybody because I just haven't been asked. But I'm unleashed, right, Zuzu? Unleashed. So I can talk about anything I want. It's my body and I can do that. And it was interesting because I was like, oh, my gosh. And he was like, well, here are some pointers that you may not have thought of. And so I went and did more deep dive study into that. And the heart, I love the heart. Like, who wouldn't love all the valves and connections. And I mean, your heart just keeps. Sometimes I'll just stare at my sweetie when he's sleeping, and I can just watch the blood pumping through his veins and his arteries. And I'm like, gosh, it's right there. It's so amazing.
And I just took a deep dive and was able to help my own HRV and become more balanced. And like I said when we were talking, very infrequent. Does it act up anymore?
But it's been. It's been a neat journey and it's been wonderful because I've been able to put that in, you know, help people who have pots, obviously, you know, on how to reverse all that, but. Or, you know, and engineer that to work for your. Your better. But it's. That's my journey.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: And I'm curious to kind of just dig a little bit deeper into that with how you look at that. That autonomic nervous system, because obviously, you know, with Lily's story about, you know, I'm sure there was, it seems like very little probably parasympathetic activity through that. And I'm just like, with all your expertise on the gut and, you know, holistic health.
I love the vagus nerve because while it's not a one to one ratio, it kind of follows a lot of those, you know, chi charts that, that you'll see different. So, you know, with. With the acupuncture and, you know, it's just fascinating that. That bridge. So I'm curious, like, when autonomic health and the gut and just sort of, sort of, how do you look at, you know, the, the nervous system, gut kind of interaction with the, with the work that you do?
[00:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's, that's a lot to answer a lot of great things there. So the autonomic nervous system obviously is automatic. All of you listening probably know that. And so it's everything. Automatic breathing, you know, digesting everything that's just comes on. You're not thinking about it. Oh, I think I'm going to go release some acetylcholine in my stomach right now.
No, you don't. We don't think about it, guys. It's all just happening naturally. Acetylcholines from the nervous system. And so you have the nervous system which makes neurotransmitters. You have the endocrine system that makes hormones super simple. What most people don't realize is the nervous system controls the endocrine system. So in Western medicine, we've separated them. Endocrinologist, neurologist. Right. If the old Pulmonary. We just have all these people. It's just. Right. We don't need that. We need to be working together. Trust me. But anyhow. And that's kind of what really got me excited.
And so when I started really looking at dysautonomia, with the autonomic system not working, I went right to acupuncture. And there were times we would go twice a day to the acupuncturist just because it was immediate relief. Immediate relief. And so pots any form of dysautonomia, you must look at the nervous system. And the number one thing in the world for the nervous system is acupuncture. Now, it's exciting because you can go to an acupuncturist who I strongly, very different than dry needling. I'm just putting it out there. So dry needlers, you're great. Great. Love you. You are not acupuncturists. So you aren't. And you can't do what an acupuncturist does, but you do great. So I'm not at all saying there's a time and a place, but there's also another system all of you listening can buy for your own home. And that is the dolphin system. And the dolphin is needless acupuncture, incredible for the vagus nerve. And I don't know, Matt, if you use the dolphin yet with the vagus kit, I will send you all of that. It is absolutely amazing because everyone listening can be giving themselves treatments on the vagus nerve using needless acupuncture, which is just phenomenal anyhow. And so that's kind of where I dove into. If we can fix the nervous system, we should be able to start restoring the autonomic nervous system. You know, better, because obviously when you're in autonomic system, you can. You're not. You're not fighting light, right? You're in parasympathetic mode. Body's working great. But it had gotten so bad that she. Lily, literally couldn't digest or absorb any food. And the only way to get something into her was through iv, which is very hard on her little body because she was like 67 pounds at age 12 or soaking in a mineral bath, you guys, for two weeks, almost two weeks, she didn't eat. She couldn't eat. So we were literally in a bathtub. You could see every bone in her body.
And then to reverse that through using things like acupuncture has, and she still goes to this day, but she only has to go once. A month now.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: So that's awesome.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really cool.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: I'm curious because POTS is something that is a reoccurring theme of the show for a lot. I mean, as the reasons you talked about and how HRV biofeedback.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: Is. Is being well adapted by the, the POTS community as a. What one of the potential treatments. And I'm just curious, you know, if somebody comes to you with pots, probably frustrated. I would, not everybody, but you know, but usually what I find, whether it's HRV biofeedback or holistic medicine, it's, it's usually, you know, the, the pill that my primary care physician may not be working or maybe the side effects. So I'm just curious from, from, you know, your perspective in your work, how do you, how would. If I had POTS and came to you for help. I'm just curious about the assessment. Well, how do you work with folks who have this very, very tricky disease with just, just talking to a lot of people who are, are struggling with it and trying to treat it from different perspectives. I'm just curious about, about your approach.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And I have, I have actually a lot of information on it because obviously I help a lot of people with pots, but yeah, I often find their guts screwed up. Obviously their guts are screwed up. Most of them have SIBO or semo. You know, they're bloating all the time because things aren't functioning properly. La la la. And besides that, that's part of it is always going to be gut, looking at the gut, restoring the gut, getting rid of leaky gut, very, very, very important. And then nervous system regulation. GABA is a huge proponent for POTS being able to. Because GABA is probably, it's probably my favorite neurotransmitter only because I lived for years with a deficiency of it and I'm a GABA driven person. So you hear personality tests all the time. All a personality test is which, which neurotransmitter is driving you. And that may change over time. But, but you know, dopamine driven people are different than acetylcholine who sit there and plan all your reunions. Right. And so like a different than gaba, different than serotonin. So you look at which neurotransmitter is your, is your driver and oh my gosh, to have that as my driver and be deficient in it was awful. And so we do, look, we do really recommend Braverman tests. You can take the Braverman test for what, 10 bucks or something online that can show you a bit of a glimpse into the neurotransmitter life. You can have some test test done. But please remember, neurotransmitters are not always in the bloodstream all the time. You know, the blood. Blood is not. I don't hold blood to a gold standard by any means, because hormones are released different times. I mean, on and on. So there's plenty of reasons. I love biofeedback. Have probably $115,000 of biofeedback equipment in our property right now. Because I love it. It's like a metal detector, you guys. It's super easy to explain biofeedback. Anybody who still thinks that's crazy just doesn't understand science, really. So trust me on this, it works amazingly. It's just a feedback. Just like sending frequencies into the water to find your fish or frequencies into the ground to find your metal using a metal detector. It's the exact same thing, but we send it into the body. Totally cool. But anyhow, so we do use that a lot. If someone came to me with pot, we are going to have them doing chiropractic work, period. We are going to have them using our acupuncturist or an acupuncturist in their city. So if you're listening, find your acupuncturist near you. I would definitely order a dolphin unit, you know, because then you can do some of the treatments yourself. My daughter has a dolphin unit. She uses it on herself if she has an issue.
The thing with Dysautonomia and with POTS is it may never completely go away, but now you know how to handle it. You don't have to live with all of the side effects because you're staying on top of.
You're staying on top of the nervous system. Just think nervous, nervous, nervous system. And the main thing. Oh, my gosh, I can't go further without explaining this.
I need my bic pen mat so I can explain the nervous system with my bic pen.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:26:07] Speaker B: Visuals are everything. So this is your nerve, right? The myelin sheath is made out of oil, and that is what the nerve that black ink is running through, right? We won't talk about dendrites and all the fun stuff right now, but we are going to talk about this and that. This myelin sheath, so important, it is made out of every fat you're eating today. So if you're like chomping on some fried chicken listening to this, put that away, throw that out the window. Well, you might kill an Animal because it's really quite toxic. But anyhow, but like look at the fat you're eating. Are you eating margarine? You have no idea what they're using in the baked product you're buying at a grocery store. Then don't ever think that milk is milk because I'm in the food industry and milk simply means white liquid. So concentrate on healthy oil. This is when you eat an avocado. Oh my word. Right. And you, and you might eat walnuts. Yes, walnuts and chia seeds and flaxseed and hemp seeds. Right, right. This is when you really start eating your health and you rebuild the nervous system by putting healthy oils in like extra virgin olive oil, extra virgin coconut oil. Right. Blah blah blah. Now what's really important is you not only need to rebuild it, but you need to stop, stop breaking it down. The number one toxic chemical for your myelin sheath is sugar. So your sugar, sugar, sugar, white sugar, brown sugar, coconut sugar and grain.
Hello you guys. A piece of bread, 3 to 4 teaspoons of sugar in a piece of bread because all your grain turns into starch. A starch, right. And then it turns into sugar. You. We live in a, in a mass processed carbohydrate syndrome right now world and we are destroying the nervous system. So it's one thing. Oh, I'll go take some medicine. What is that going to do for your nervous system? Right? Well I can tell you, but anyhow I won't because I took it. But what you do years ago by the way, I haven't had them. I'm not. Just so you know, I'm 58. Everything's balanced in my body feel phenomenal. Don't take any hormones. I, my blood work looks great, went through menopause, didn't even know it, blah blah. Haven't had any medication since I got off all my medication for epilepsy 37 years ago.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: Congratulations.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: Well, I'm just saying it because it's one thing to preach it but another thing to live it. And so that this nervous system I've reg, I mean we make sure her, her nervous system was regrown through health, which we already were doing all healthy things but then eliminating all sugar and grains super duper duper important because that is what destroys it. Heavy metals do as well. But if you have a healthy diet you will naturally remove heavy metals because fiber grabs onto your healthy fats and that is where your height I just pulls out. So don't get too worked over that unless you're still Eating toxic heavy metals, then you may want to consider changing your diet. But, you know, that's a little overview. So correcting the nervous system, going to chiropractic care, doing acupuncture, and obviously restoring the gut. Remember? Oh, you don't know because I didn't mention GABA is. Most of it's made in the gut.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about gaba because it's kind of been the star, but we have it. We have, we. Let's shed the light on it. And I'd love just for maybe some listeners who don't know a whole lot about it, obviously it's right in your wheelhouse, so love to. Let's. Let's talk a little bit more about it and what it does for the body and the nervous system. System.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: I will. So GABA actually controls the. All the electricity in the body. So GABA controls all the electricity in the body, which is fascinating because we have.
Everything's electric, right?
[00:29:35] Speaker A: All.
[00:29:35] Speaker B: Everything's electric. All your neurotransmitters, blah, blah. Well, a lot of the neurotransmitters, right. Glutamate and gaba and all of them. They. This one in particular, gaba. A lot of it's made in the gut, serotonin, made in the gut, blah, blah. And. But GABA needs an environment in order to grow. And that environment in the gut needs to have two main things. It needs a diverse microbiome, which we'll talk about, and it needs a specific ph.
And so that's what actually is needed for GABA to be made in the gut. And so most people who are GABA deficiency, GABA deficient don't eat enough fiber. You need a wide variety of fiber. And this is why the microbiome, which again, you have more bacterial cells than human cells. Trillions of them. Them, right. You have trillions more bacterial cells than you do human cells.
Those bacteria live on fiber. You can't do anything with fiber. The human body, what does it do with fiber? It just cleans out the, the colon. That's what fiber does. But fiber feeds bacteria. And the more diverse the fiber, the more diverse the bacteria. And you have thousands of varieties of bacteria just in your colon, which is what, five feet you have. You have microbiome in your prostate. You do. Matt, all the men listening, you might have prostate cancer or prostate issues because you don't have a diverse micro in the prostate. Hello. Who knew that, right? We, us, as women, we have a different microbiome of our vaginal canal. We all have microbiome on our skin, right? We have microbiome throughout our body. And when you diversify the fiber. So when you eat a salad today, because all of you need to go eat a salad. When you have a salad every day and you diversify it with radishes and kohlrabi and peas and carrots and whatever you're going to be putting on there, all your nuts and seeds, you are going to feed the bacteria in the body much more so than if you just have like three vegetables that week, you know, so that is important. And then the proper ph potential of hydrogen. And most people are extremely acidic because they're sucking out of cows and eating much dead meat and they're eating all the grain and all of that is acid. All of that causes a lot of acid in the body.
So by the way, the number one cause of osteoporosis is dairy. So get over that. The dairy industry keeps trying to hide it, but they can't, can't possibly hide that because your body becomes so acidic by consuming so much dairy. I don't care what form it's in that your bones have to like, they literally, your body will pull minerals out of the bone structure to alkalize the bloodstream so you don't die. So just putting it out there. So your Swiss cheese bones are caused by Swiss cheese. Okay, Just putting. Well, Swiss cheese might be one of the better ones. The longer it for, the longer it ages, the better. So if you like can't without dairy and you can't give up the wet nurse, at least get really aged cheese if you're going to eat cheese.
But that's important because the PH of the bloodstream, the PH of our gut matters. And people, a lot of people have too high of a PH in their stomach and in their gut, they don't have near enough acid. So they get acid reflux. Acid reflux, because you don't have near enough acid. You don't have too much, by golly geez, no. So acid reflux, you don't have enough acid. So now you get all these parasites and bacterias because you can't kill them with your acid. Now you get acid reflux.
And so we really focus when it comes to GABA deficiency on diversifying the fibers and really pulling the body into the correct state.
And then there's wonderful foods that help with that, right? Because if people are low in glutamic acid, they'll also be low in GABA because that's synthesized from glutamic acid. But there's great foods. Almonds and spinach and walnuts and oats. Well, don't eat oats, they're useless. But like broccoli and your citrus and spinach. There's so many foods that are full of the building blocks for gaba. And then you can also use some GABA temporarily. Obviously, my epileptics. Well, I also recommend THC for epilepsy, by the way, because that helps to re. I don't know if I can talk about that on your show, but yeah,
[00:33:32] Speaker A: I'm in Colorado, so. So you're good.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: Okay, good. Hello. I mean, I own a binder this thick of all the patents the government owns on cannabis people. No idea. They don't. Oh my gosh, no. Oh my. There are so many ways you can take THC on extremely small levels that eliminate your seizures and reset the nervous system. So whatever, wherever you're at on that, I don't care. I don't smoke it. Don't recommend that unless you have lung cancer. But I don't like, I'm not this big person who's out there selling thc. I'm just saying there's a reason the medical industry finally had to jump onto the, onto the bandwagon a little bit, because it actually worked. It has more medicinal qualities than every green plant on the the planet combined. And there's a reason it was in more than 75% of all pharma. It was, it was the pharmacology. That's what it was. Right. We used cannabis until the prohibition should, which only happened because they didn't want you to grow your own oil by using hemp's. Hemp to use your gas can. And of course the textile industry relied on hemp and so did the paper industry relied on hemp and the medical industry relied on hemp. So they had to have to do something to exercise a little more control. But anyhow. So gaba's made in the gut. We need to diversify the microbiome and get the right ph. So it is extremely calming to the body. A lot of people who wake up in the middle of the night, it's GABA deficiency. People who, you know. And I will say the main thing I learned, and I learned this when I had my cafes.
My first cafe was the.
There's kryptonite for GABA deficient people. And that's any kind of processed carbohydrates. So a cookie. Even my organic sprouted, you know, gluten free, whatever cookies. I'd eat one and I could feel it. I could feel it. So people. Yeah. When people are GABA deficient. No bread.
No, no, no. I don't even recommend any grain for anyone who suffers with gab deficiency because it is, you know, it, it's just, it's such a deterrent to. It's the kryptonite for gaba. And the difference is night and day. I knew that because I had a three story building and when I would eat a cookie or some of my. Our bread that we sold, you know, countless thousands of loaves of our bread, if I ate a piece of it, I couldn't run up and down the stairs. But normally every day I'd run up the stairs because I love running upstairs and I always had things to do and I couldn't. I would eat a cookie, could not run up the stairs. And that's when I put the two together.
And then I researched when I was making all my charts, neurotransmitters and minerals and vitamins. I'm a chart fanatic. Anyhow, is when I realized, wow, there's kryptonite for these neurotransmitters. So there you go.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: Two questions for you. One is, you know, you hear a lot in the nutrition world right now about prebiotics, which it seems like that's fiber pretty much. And then.
Yeah, I mean, we could, you know, we don't have to put another fancy term on it. But, you know, I wonder, I want to ask you about probiotics as well and fermented foods and others. And then what. What would be some symptoms of GABA deficiency versus a healthy somebody who's got the right balance or, or you, you, you. I'll let you put in the words. But the right levels of gaba, you know, in their system. Some.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: You bet.
Without doing like a neurotransmitter test, some of the symptoms would be because GABA controls the electricity.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: And if you don't have a.
You. It calms the body. So it's the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, so it calms the body. So if you're always like overstressed, can't sleep, those are some signs that you may be GABA deficient.
And so.
So looking at. Oh my. People will run the magnesium. That's lovely. That'll relax the muscles. But GABA is needed to even help that, you know, so people might be taking way too much magnesium when they don't even need that. What they need is GABA to calm the electrical system and then the muscles can Absorb the calcium. Even better. To calm the heart down, to avoid and help with the heart reveal abilities. I would encourage a lot of people who are dealing with HRV to also look at GABA consumption to help them with that, that, so that, you know, so that would be something I'd definitely consider, you know, looking into.
You had a lot of questions at once.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: Probiotics.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: Probiotics. There we go. Okay, so, yeah, pre, pro and post. So a prebiotic simply feeds a probiotic and came out with like, oh, here's the top three or six, you know, prebiotics, whatever. Chicorit and burdock and artichoke heart. That's lovely. Bananas, onions, everything that has fiber is a prebiotic. Guys like, you don't have to go calm down. I need more gap. So like when they came out with electrolyte mixes, I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: This is the stupidest thing I have now. I sell them in my store, but they're made out of salt, honey, you know, and other good actual food. Because all electrolytes are wake up call for everyone. Eat an apple, you'll get them all. Or, you know, all electrolytes are, are the, are the, the, the minerals that you need a lot of. They're called macro minerals. Right. Trace minerals you don't need as much of, but you still need every day. So electrolyte drinks are all the, all the way to spend your money. Well, if you just ate fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, you would never, ever need an electrolyte drink. Just putting it out there. Yeah, but that's how I feel about prebiotics.
A prebiotic is any fiber. You don't need to go and buy a prebiotic blend. You don't.
I will say, if you want to lose weight. Yep. Buy a good fiber blend. We like sun fiber. So buy a good fiber blend, mix it in your water, and if you just do that, you actually usually don't even get hungry. So it's easy to lose weight because fiber feeds the bacteria and the bacteria is what's hungry.
[00:39:28] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:39:29] Speaker B: So feed the bacteria in the body with fiber, then you won't be as hungry. That's why you can lose weight and feel fantastic eating a bunch of fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds. Very low caloric calories, except for some of your nuts. And you're feeding your bacteria. So you're not hungry anymore. Right. Your bacteria are what make you hungry. They're demanding stuff.
[00:39:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: There's a lot more to that. So prebiotics feed your Probiotics. Now, here is where I'm putting a plug in for keeping your appendix. Pinky promise you'll keep your appendix. Oh, my gosh, your appendix is so vital because there's a bunch of little probiotic seeds in there that are excited to come out and play whenever you get exposed to me. So bacteria is in there that create antibiotics, antibodies to a bunch of things that you can get exposed to. If you're out fishing and you drink some of the water from the stream and you get some weird, you know, bacterium in there, hey, you have an appendix, it might release the exact thing you need. If you still have an appendix and you are keeping it healthy and parasites out of it, it, then you will be able to make what you need to help fight off X, Y and Z, whatever protozoan or whatever it might be. So looking at prebiotics, feeding your probiotics, yes, you can take some probiotics, but you don't got to take them forever unless you're killing them off with an antibiotic. Once you run through a couple bottles of Lactobacter, of course there's like multiple strains of that. Then go to Bifidobacteria, go to all these different probiotics because you want, want to diversify the probiotics and the gut, you don't. Anybody who's sitting there taking a probiotic for a year, the same one, you've just wasted a bunch of money. Like, wasted. Unless you're eating, not eating fiber. But if you're eating salads and you're conscious to what your diet is, you're not just trashing your diet with milk and dairy and animals and, you know, grain. And if you're eating actual vegetation, you don't need that many probiotics because you're eating it and you're feeding it. And then postbiotics, most people don't, a lot of people don't know what a postbiotic is. But that's all the vitamins that your bacteria make. Your, your bacteria makes a ton of your vitamins, like all your B vitamins, et cetera. So we need those bacteria fed because then we don't end up with B vitamin deficiency, which half the world has, and we all go back to antibiotics, which just killed off all your good stuff. Like. And who's going to keep the bad guys at bay? The good guys, right? So the good bacteria fights off the bad bacteria and we've wiped them all out because you need a round of antibiotics. No, no, no, no, no, no. You probably need more healthy Biotics to fight off the bad bacteria. Right. So we really come into. How do we diversify that microbiome? I know people will go to yogurt. Please don't, please don't, please don't, please don't, please don't, please don't, please don't, please don't eat yogurt and please don't drink your fur. Like, don't. You can if you make it yourself, but please don't. With like coconut, organic coconut milk or something. But please, please, please don't be thinking that your yogurt is actually giving you probiotics that you need. I would. I have a lot of research done on that. So please go research that. Consider actually taking probiotics. Consider making your own water kefir. Or if you really like sweet stuff and you want to make your own kombucha. Right. We make it all the time here. You can buy it. But you really don't want probiotics that way because there's too many sweets in it. You really want to look at making a coconut yogurt, but just taking different strains of probiotics and not for long because then you can grow. Most kids in America are so deficient in a variety of bifidobacteria. It's absolutely. It's absolutely amazing.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: Yeah, fascinating.
One more like trend that I would love to get your expert opinion on for our listeners is right now, it's everybody.
You know, you can see I'm a little skeptical of myself, but I let you. You've got more expertise than I do. So you can either justify or alleviate my anger angst here around. We need to stuff protein into every single thing we consume and. Okay, good. That's how I feel about this trend as well. It.
Yeah, it seems like capitalism and it's worse with the nutritional side of, hey, we've told people they need protein now and we will stuff it in potato chip said high levels and like. So I'd love to just get how you talk to folks who might come in and have been sold that they need to, you know, just eat a protein, protein, protein all the time, number one.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: I love you, Matt, please.
I love you. I love you. I love you. You are. You are it. So anybody listening? This is. This man is legit. He's not tell you anything. Amen, anybody. And please hear me loud and clear. Anyone who says, oh, my gosh, you need more protein has no clue how protein works. They have no clue. Let me explain protein. I'm gonna explain protein to you and you're gonna understand it in. In a minute better than most people you've ever met. All of you listening.
Letters build a word.
Eric. E, R, I, C. That's my son, Eric. Rick, I need 1E, 1R, 1I, 1C. If I don't have an E, it would be Rick. But if I wrap a Christmas present and I put Ric on it, Eric's not going to open it because it's not his. It would be Rick's. You must have an E. Now, if I write a letter to Eric, Dear Eric, but I don't have an E. I'll have to go to the store and buy some E's, Right? Let's just think about it. So I go to the store and I buy some E's, and then I can make his name and I can write a letter.
Proteins are the same way. A protein is made from amino acids. And you might need 45 of these, you know, tyrosine and 16 tryptophans and 14 prolines. Right. Whatever you need. And so you might need, you know, 3,000 of one of them. Amino acids build proteins just like letters build words. And so when someone says, oh, you need more protein, I'm like, no, no, no. That's like saying, you need to go buy a bunch of alphabets.
Now, what would you do with the other 20 some letters if all you needed was like three or four?
[00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: You would store them.
Proteins build the body. Look at the people consuming protein. The only people on the planet that should be consuming protein is a bodybuilder.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: Or an old person who is not eating anymore. But if you are building a body, you need protein. Otherwise you get them all in your plants because all your amino acids, all protein on earth comes from. From plants. How do you think the gazelle or the gorilla or the bamboo. Bamboo. I mean, but anyhow, how do you think all of them cow gets its protein? I mean, cows don't eat cows, they eat it. I did actually watch a chick, I mean, a cow eat a kitten one time that fell into the trough when I was at college and I worked on a big farm. But anyhow, once in a while it'll accidentally eat anything that falls in the trough, but it does not go out and eat in our cow. And where is the cow getting all of the protein to make you all bad? That amino acid, dairy, which you shouldn't consume. But anyhow, it's all from plants. That's just the fact of the matter is all protein, come on, Earth comes from plants. Now, luckily we have These little banks. So if we eat a bunch of, you know, protein.
Something with a bunch of protein in it, right? Whatever. We need nuts and seeds, we eat a piece of meat, we are going to be able to. If.
Oh, give me another minute. If the meat has amino acids in it, which I have to tell you about that in a minute, then you can store some of them. So if the body needs 3,000 of those and 200 of those, you have them in the body.
Check this out. I do biofeedback all the time.
I can tell you, I never ask them until I get to this page. When I do the assessment on the amino acids, I will know before I even ask them if they're eating more plants or more vegetables. Because guess what, everyone get ready for this. This. The people who eat meat have higher deficiencies of amino acids than the people who eat vegetables. 99.7% of the time. If I do a scan and there's a bunch of amino acid deficiency, I'm like, oh, you must eat a lot of meat. Oh, yeah.
I find only two deficiencies. Yesterday I found one deficiency. I'm like, so you eat a lot of vegetables? Oh, I love vegetables.
Amino acids come from plants. And you wouldn't believe how. Well, I can't be. I take my protein powder every day.
What is that made of? Right? What. What is that made of? And the meat people buy. The majority of meat purchased on our planet, especially in America, is just coming from some animal who was literally never even saw the light of day or maybe saw it, but couldn't eat anything from the ground. They were just fed, fed, fed. Some of them fatten them up until their stomach wouldn't work and they can harvest them, you know, a year earlier than they should.
So all of you listening who want to build your protein using animals, please do like we do. We have a family farm in Arkansas. All grass fed. Grass finished, Amazing meat. Yes, we'd love to sell it to you, but we're working on that. But anyhow, that's what I have in my freezer. And I don't even eat meat. I'll have a couple bites of something here and there, but I'm not immediate or never have been. I actually raised my children with very little meat. And my protein is beautiful. All their protein was great because plants. And so if.
And think of it this way, one last thing. Proteins build the body.
Fat is a slippery side of the nervous system. Carbohydrates, fuel, end of story.
So that's my take, Matt, my friend.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Well, thank you Well I, I know we both share a history in the Midwest so I was back in Indiana visiting my mom and every time, you know, I eat only a plant based diet and every time I have to answer how I get enough protein and I, you did it so much more beautifully and she'll, maybe she'll listen to you because she, she never listens to me. So I'm sending her the clip.
[00:49:30] Speaker B: Matt is amazing, mom. He's doing it, he's doing it great. He's doing it great.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: So I, I would love to kind of as we, we start to wrap up here because I think one of the things. Well, well let, I'll kind of throw this out here then kind of ask my, my final question is you know I, I, I love this stuff because you know, heart rate variability I find as such a universal. And sometimes it's the frustrating thing about hrv, sometimes it's the great thing about HRV is you, you never know what the stressor is.
Well, I shouldn't say you never know but, but HRV score will not tell you what what is.
What is acting on that autonomic nervous system. It could be a virus, it could be, you know that, that you did change your diet for a healthier way and you're seeing improvements there. It, you know. Well, but what I, I love from all the research is you could basically put I would say a lot of meta studies on top of what you're saying.
You know, the Omega 3s, you know those sort of things, the, the gut biome and there is improvements in hrv. So it's not the only metric if you're trying to improve health through nutrition that you should be looking at but it can give you a really non evasive and what I found a really immediate one as well. Intermittent fasting for a lot of people. I'm not saying it's safe or good for everybody, but it's something that you can kind of see at least with autonomic health and stress response, you know, having that impact day three ish for you and then it becomes your baseline and then every other thing acts on it as well. But the prebiotics and increase in fiber, I mean it's, it's so connected to that autonomic health that that's where I find HRV being a really great tracker of, of nutritional health and balance. Because if you eat a bunch of bread, I mean I see this, I give myself a few meals just for enjoyment and my friends laugh at me because they're also usually the healthiest Meals that my friends would eat in a week are my cheat meals.
But you can see it a little bit the next day. Alcohol was another one that I've shared with our listeners.
I enjoy a really good IPA or a dram of whiskey, but my, my body does it. And, you know, then, then you got the data to, to make your, your decisions with that. So I love how your, your science, you know, really just, you know, with hrv, there's just a real complementary piece there, which I think holistic health. It's harder to shrug it off in the mainstream medical profession if you can throw a, a meta study at them to say, hey, you heard of this HRV stuff?
Here is why you might want to think about talking about nutrition for folks.
[00:52:32] Speaker B: Yep. And even you don't even need to study. Just go find all the people who have done, you know, we've recommended and countless neuropaths have recommended. And they're. Well, like, I mean, I'm always like, baffled. Oh, we need to prove it with the four $45 million study in Japan that going outside for 45 minutes a day can help your heart rate variability.
I could have told you that without. I would like the 45 million. Thank you. Because I would do something much different than you did with it. So I'm always, like, amazed at a study. Hello. If any of you want to do a study, look at your dermatologist skin, look at your doctor and ask how many pharmaceuticals they're taking.
Look at your naturopath. Look at the health food store you're going to. How do people look? Look, Are they on their own journey? Like, we own a health food store and one of the ladies who's there all the time is overweight. She is losing weight and she's changing her life. Right. So, like, look at the people that you are getting information from. Do you want to look like that? Do you want to be like that? Like. And I don't mean the sassy. I'm serious. If you're gonna find a minister or a preacher that you like, aren't you gonna go to their church first and listen to them? And then aren't you gonna ask the kids what it's like to live in their home? Aren't you gonna do that? I've met plenty of ministers or kids can't stand them. Them. Okay, something. I'm not gonna listen to him then. I know he's not. He's not living what he's preaching. So you must use your eyeballs and your ears to figure out what, what Do I want to live like what do I want to be like? Right. So that's. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Heart rate variability is definitely affected. And I would like to put this out there. In natural medicine, there's a lot of us that teach like applied kinesiology, muscle testing.
Don't be afraid to find one of us and ask us what's causing your hrv. You can simply ask because we can figure it out. Is it emotional? Is it a virus? Is it a bacteria? Like, what is causing it? What is the stressor. It's not like you're in the dark for the rest of your life.
God gave us this incredible ability to figure things out. And the original lie detector test. Hello. What's muscle testing? And apply kinesiology. You can't lie through it.
So find someone to help you so you're not always hitting and missing in the dark. Find someone who, like Matt or people who know about feedback and go get a. Get it. Get a session done and see what's going on because it's just so tell time. It's really cool.
[00:54:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And I would just throw in there if you're privileged enough because I know this isn't always the case to shop around for your medical provider.
Ask some of these questions. How they, how they. I think a real simple one is how does, how do they see nutrition impacting health? You know, if, if they think that there's no connection there and you have the ability. Again, I want to acknowledge that not everybody has this privilege, but if you're in a, if your, your insurance allows you to shop around a little bit, ask some of these questions that you can rule people out. And I'm, I'm. I know the average healthcare clinician may not have a lot of information, as you said, very little education on this historically. But, you know, see if you can find at least a good fit there and then, you know, because they're often, you know, we'll ask a different level of questions which, you know, can. And then supplement it with holistic professional or acupuncture or chiropractor. Somebody who may be more are ingrained in that. You know, the medical providers I've really liked throughout the years understand that they don't have all the answers, but they're part of the overall equation and we'll help you find that mix.
[00:56:13] Speaker B: Yes. Because there are medications that can help you at least stop the issue right now. They're going to put you on gabapentin, then consider increasing your GABA consumption. Yeah.
You don't you can. You can take something while you're building things back up in your body, but that's. Don't use it as a crutch, an excuse to eat all the sugar in the world you want. Like, unless that's what you want to do. But you might not live as long, so. Really? Yeah. Don't be afraid to use your doctor and medication to at least balance you while you take care of things and get off of it. Hello, anybody on a ppi, would you please read the insert? Oh, yeah, you're not supposed to take it more than two weeks or two months. Okay. How many have been on a PPI for a decade or seven years? You don't need those. You can get rid of acid reflux very, very quickly in the natural world. Just go see a naturopath. But I love it. You're hitting it on the mark. And again, anybody watching? Matt, this is my kind of man.
Our school. This is what we do. We teach, we educate all over the world in all these different languages because. And we need more people, Matt, because they're coming on. They're knocking on our doors quicker than we can ever answer them. My students are all busy and we are looking at. It's not a huge, huge number. I forgot Tip my tongue. I have it. One of my presentations of medical personnel leaving the medical industry right now. We're talking. Hundreds of thousands are leaving and they're coming over to our world. And so we need you because a lot of them are getting into our school, taking our courses. We need so many more because people have woken up to, I want to use both Eastern and western medicine, or I only want to use Eastern because I'm a little nervous right now about taking our vaccine.
So anybody listening who wants to get involved in this, please, please, please check us out at Holistic health educators. Find
[email protected] My website's under renovation, but it's super fun and you can get.
[00:57:59] Speaker A: It is super fun. Yeah, yeah.
[00:58:01] Speaker B: I mean, it's me. It's just me and we. I just started an Instagram finally, you know, so because I have so much on emails, I have like huge followings, but I'm finally getting into the social media world and yeah, you'll definitely get me as me unleashed and then a bunch of health information. So just, just don't be afraid to reach out.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: And we'll put those links in the show notes as well. So. Because I know your website is a Trevor trove of information and resources. So we'll definitely get those linked in there.
[00:58:30] Speaker B: You know what else, Matt, I'm feeling like I want to do this for your listeners. I'm going to grant.
It's a four hour course called Empowered Blow your It's like this for four hours of how the body works. It is absolutely amazing. My daughter and I did that. So let's create a code for you. It'll be how about mat rocks? That sounds good. We'll do mat rocks and that'll be your code to get a free four hour class. So all lowercase mat rocks. Matt, let me make sure I get that shoe right, you know, before we're done here, before you post. But let you guys please jump in there and listen to this for four hours. You are just going to fall in love with your body. And that is my main quest in life is to help you get out of fear and get in love with your beautiful mortal body.
[00:59:15] Speaker A: Because we'll put those links in the show note. I'm excited to take that course as well. So Zuzu, thank you so much. This has been a fat. I feel like there were like probably 4 hours plus of additional questions I have, so maybe we can find a good excuse to have another conversation at some point. But thank you so much for your work.
Thanks to our listeners. Again, we'll put tons of links and information in the show notes as well. Zuzu, thanks so much and yeah, as always, thanks for joining us and we'll see everybody next week.
[00:59:50] Speaker B: Sounds good. Thanks everyone.
