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[00:00:30] Speaker B: All right, so today we have Dr. Lori Wagner with us. So Dr. Lori, I would try to introduce you, but I think you have more doctorates and degrees than most people are even aware.
So let me have you start with an introduction of yourself and going through some of those degrees that you have and take us to how you got to the point that you are today.
[00:01:01] Speaker C: Okay, well, thank you for having me on. I appreciate that. And background started out with the early degrees as far as was premed for a little bit. Life situations changed that a little bit. So then I backtracked and did a nursing degree and did some time in doing critical care and intensive care, and then decided to do anesthesia. So got my master's in science and sub major anesthesia and as a cRNA, went on to complete a doctorate. So I have my doctorate, prepared an aesthetist and practiced for a little over 20 years doing anesthesia in about 16 years of that, 13 years of that was at a level one trauma and then same day surgery.
And then during the course of all of that time, I went on to complete a few other degrees as far as in doctorates in integrative functional medicine, natural medicine, traditional naturopathy, got some certifications in functional diagnostic nutrition, corporate wellness, tonic herbalism. Along those lines.
[00:02:26] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: In hypnotherapy as well, correct.
[00:02:29] Speaker C: Hypnotherapy. Reiki. Yeah.
NLP.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: You didn't leave many stones unturned.
[00:02:37] Speaker C: Well, one little rabbit hole led to another.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Absolutely. Well, so, Lori, I always find it so interesting.
A lot of people do start in your path where you start with a traditional medicine.
[00:02:50] Speaker D: Right.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: So you started in pre med, as you said, you went into nursing, you went into.
Right. And then you started going a different direction. So had you always been more naturally minded or did that evolve from what you were seeing with your patients?
[00:03:12] Speaker C: I would say I started out a little naturally minded only because my mom was born in another country and her mom used to kind of do, she was kind of the healer in South America. So a little bit of the plant medicines there with a little bit of background with there. Not too much but I really was much more of the sciences and the mainstream medicine and delve that way. It was more along the lines of when I started seeing patterns of patients and just, you keep seeing the same things as diseases, disease processes, how it's being treated. Nobody's really getting better. It's just the blunting of symptoms. And then I had my own health issues as far as black mold exposure for many years, that caused a lot of problems. So it's like you find that the mainstream way of doing things wasn't helpful or they were diagnosing you wrong, and then that sent you down a bunch of different trails of testing wrong, and they're not coming up with things. So you start looking for other avenues to travel to find out what really is going on. What are root causes?
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Well, that is amazing. And that seems to be the path that a lot find themselves on when they see exactly like you're saying, all we're doing is covering up symptoms here. We're not actually finding a cause. No, thank God, obviously, for the type of medicine that you are doing in a trauma center. Very necessary. And obviously, we want those options available for all of us.
[00:04:59] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: Situations. But something like mold that is so obscure and actually relatively common, but a very rare thing for a typical practitioner to go after. And it's very hard to recognize some of those signs and put the pieces together.
[00:05:22] Speaker C: It's on average about nine years that it gets missed for diagnosis. For sirs in particular, not just mold exposure and the issues with the sequelia with that, with true sirs, the chronic inflammatory response syndrome, which sometimes it'sistered with sirs, sirs, which is more bacterial based, but you can develop. That's what they're kind of linking to. Like the breast implants. The breast implant issues that you have can be sirs. Actually, the pattern is the same. Lyme. You can have crossovers with Lyme and sirs, different patterning in the brain as far as the encephalitis that develop. But if you do neuroquant testing with the MRIs, you could see patterns.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Really, that is just fascinating.
Yeah.
To think most people going nine years with being misdiagnosed is very sad.
So you started marching down a different road.
You started finding the functional medicine, you started finding cures for yourself. You saw these patterns in your patients, and then you wound up in front of.
And can you tell us what brought you to National University of Health Sciences, which is where we met?
[00:06:44] Speaker C: A couple of reasons. I mean, one, I went to high school down the street, so I was familiar with the school, but at the time that I was here, it was mostly chiropractics.
And then my head at that point was mainstream allopathic medicine. So I didn't look too much into that, but know the area. I have family in the area, and now where I'm at in life with what I'm looking for and what I know from the university was the right place to be for what I want to continue on doing and how I want to advance my career and the path that I want to go as far as longevity, antiaging, and biohacking.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Okay, excellent.
That is so amazing.
And we're very grateful to have a mind like yours. I know having a student like you is very humbling as an instructor because I look at you and I go, well, this student has so much that she can teach me.
[00:07:47] Speaker C: I think we all have a lot, even my classmates and some of the ones that are half my age. It's like I've got something to learn from everybody. And I think that you have to come into sciences with that mindset, 100%.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: We cannot all be masters of everything, and thank goodness that we can't.
Okay, so we have had many conversations that have brought us down the road of talking about vagus nerve, of talking about HRV.
And very quickly, I said, we need to have this lady on our podcast.
So can you tell me about some of your experiences with biofeedback, some of your experiences with HRV? And it doesn't have to be HRV specifically, but vagus neurovagal tone working, those types of things.
[00:08:46] Speaker C: Most of my background with that is not relative to anesthesia because it's not really utilized so much as much as when you are monitoring a patient and when you're anesthetized anyway, especially talking about general anesthetics or deep, what they call Max, the monitored anesthesia care.
You're blunting sympathetic response. So it's an attenuated circumstance that you're setting up to not really get true feedback with HRV as far as when you're giving anesthetic. So it didn't have a big place when I was practicing anesthesia in that regard. So when I started looking into it and then looking into the biohack aspect of it and what it meant, now I started looking at the devices. So things like, I mean, you've got the external vagal stimulators that you can. I mean, yes, you have the surgical ones you can implant. That's a whole other topic. But the external ones, for people that want to optimize things like sensate or pulsetto or the gammacore. Those are devices that can be used to stimulate vagal tone. And you can do other things like gargling, humming.
Yeah, there's other things that you can do. But if you want to add a little more oomph to it, adding some devices help monitoring it then becomes another concern as far as.
Because at the time when I was doing it, there weren't the apps, and now you have, I think it's the sweetbeat app as one of the apps that is really good or attract some of it, it doesn't have some of the parameters that are so good for looking at monitoring. So things like the TV one and the TV two. So when you're looking at where lactate starts developing, so going from aerobic to anaerobic, where it switches and you're marking HRV to do that.
Do some of these apps have the.
What is the RMSSD?
[00:10:51] Speaker B: RMSSD, yes.
[00:10:52] Speaker C: Yeah. So in order to like, it has. That has to be standardized with the European Society of Cardiologists, their guidelines. So if that is a part of the app and that's the algorithm that's used, it's much more accurate for tracking the m wave. So I don't know if you're familiar with the Heartmath Institute.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Yes, I am.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: They utilize some pro athletes and stuff. Start looking at this, too, or the WHOOP.
And the NCAA is who utilized that for some of their studies. They used it using the WHOOP to track HRV and then some of the data that they found, as far as I can't remember, it was 45 or 60% for being able to prevent injuries that they would have had during the season.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: See, that stuff is just amazing.
And I love hearing that. And actually, I'm not even familiar with that one. I have to mark that down and look that one up because that's one that we would love to throw out as well. Just similar to the NBA with the aura ring during the bubble and all of that.
[00:12:18] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: So, yes, that's very much getting into all of our space.
And with heart math or any of those.
Have you used any of those with patients, or is that a lot of. You've used a lot of that for yourself?
[00:12:37] Speaker C: For myself, yes. But as far as patients, as I was getting into this, I'm in the mainstream medicine. I think they had put it at about 80% or so about allopathic healthcare providers are actually seeking alternatives because they're trying to go down the path, too, and finding out that they're not getting relief from their symptoms. So it's friends and colleagues that are coming to me saying, please help. So then I'll start helping them with certain circumstances they have without diagnosing them, without going down that path with them, but helping them kind of put things together, finding root causes for them, and utilizing some of these tools and things that they're willing to use.
Even as far as like the photobiomodulation, the violites at PEMF, whole body vibrational therapies, and knowing what to look for and what to get as far as that's concerned, because not whole body machines are the same and some of them can actually cause damage.
[00:13:48] Speaker D: Oh, really? Okay.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I am very unfamiliar with all that. I've heard about it all, but I'm unfamiliar with the grand effects of all that.
[00:14:01] Speaker C: It's triplanear power plate in particular. If I'm throwing out a brand because they did their research off of, it really stemmed from the russian astronauts and all of the muscle wasting that would happen whenever they were coming back from being in space. So they wanted to circumvent that. And so in order to what they were looking at as far as to optimize that or decrease or slow down the time of that wasting, this is where they were coming up with frequency modulations and they come up with power plates.
It's not just because a lot of the plates will move in two dimension. There is a specific three dimensional algorithm that's used, I think about a 55 or 65 Hz as far as each cell. And most cells vibrate at about 45 to 65. If you're healthy, anytime you're below 20. So somewhere in the 15 even to zero, those are cancerous cells, those are dangerous cells, those are sickness cells. So when you are exercising all of your cells at once, how do you exercise a kidney cell? How do you exercise your retina? You do it through the vibrational place.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: Oh, wow, that is amazing. So this is something that they would be doing when they return to, like for an astronaut when they return to Earth?
[00:15:24] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:15:26] Speaker C: Plus a lot of the professional athletes were using it because they were finding that you were getting 25% greater gains with putting on muscle. So when you're doing workouts on the power plate while it's activated, that you will speed up your time about muscle development.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: Oh, really? I have to get a power plate for my basement.
[00:15:49] Speaker C: But you can get. But now they have. When I had gotten mine, it was like the full machines, but now they have just the flat plates. So a little more affordable.
[00:15:57] Speaker D: Okay. Yes.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: No, I have seen those in fitness centers before.
I never realized the power behind what they're actually doing.
Okay, well, that's amazing to know. So with a lot of these therapies, what I would use HRV for is tracking progress. Right. So I would say regardless of the therapy, right. If we're going to have them do a breathing based biofeedback, if we're going to have them use a power plate, if we're going to have them use XYZ, what I would do is I would have a patient regularly reading their HRV and seeing how that trend changes, and if we're actually getting improvements in health, both objectively and symptomatically, or if we're seeing things decrease, and that's where we can gauge a program and the effectiveness of what we are doing.
That's a lot of how I apply HRV to these things.
Now, when it comes to the breathing based therapies, I know you're familiar with a lot of those too, right?
[00:17:08] Speaker C: Yeah. And one of the ones that I find fascinating, and I like to lean more towards, because you can do the box breathing methods and other forms of that, but what people miss sometimes is CO2 retention breathing, because everybody is really promoting deep breaths. Not that that's a bad thing, but the focus is really on increase your oxygenation. But you actually can hinder certain processes doing that because your body is based off of a CO2 response. And if you kind of think about it, I mean, even though you're sitting with that oxy hemoglobin disassociation curve, there is a window that doesn't move too much, but it's enough where if you're in a slightly acidic condition, your red blood cells are going to want to give off the oxygen more. And you do that by training. CO2 isn't just a waste. You actually utilize it in the body to make your red cells want to give off more oxygen to the tissues. So there's different techniques for breathing that you can optimize. That plus, CO2 in the body raised is a vasodilator. So now you're increasing circulatory blood flow to the brain. So there's a lot of different ways you can use CO2 breathing as opposed to the deeper breaths, which are always good. You can counterbalance it, but work on both systems in order for you to optimize how your bodies take up your tissues. Take up the oxygen.
[00:18:39] Speaker B: Yes. One of our partners here, Ena, would be so happy that you talked about that that is something that she preaches on a lot, is the importance of CO2 as a gas and that it is not just a waste gas.
And indeed, when it comes to proper breathing, yes.
That is the cue.
[00:19:00] Speaker D: Right.
[00:19:01] Speaker B: That is the cue for our body.
Yes. CO2, often seen as this waste product, is actually more important than oxygen in a lot of ways with that breathing.
We do a lot with biofeedback, biofeedback breathing. So HRV biofeedback based on your resonance frequency rate. So that's going to be a particular rate that actually stimulates HRV the most while you're doing your breathing exercises. Are you familiar with that or have.
[00:19:38] Speaker C: You ever used that with the point number system for the rating?
[00:19:42] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:19:45] Speaker B: Okay, excellent. And that's actually shameless. Plug, our app is the only one on the market that actually does a residence frequency assessment in app and then takes you through all the exercises for HRV biofeedback within the app and some mindfulness exercises and whatnot that you can do within there, too. So it's very cool. We're very proud of that. And actually, that's all designed by our one founder, Ena, who specializes in that whole area.
Actually, I'll keep bragging on her. She literally wrote the textbook on it.
[00:20:27] Speaker C: I'd like to explore this if I could.
[00:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. We can hook you up with that because we'd love you to get on it and try it and see how you can use it, too.
So what other forms of biofeedback have you done?
[00:20:49] Speaker C: Let's see. Whole body brain entrainment, the photobiomodulations. As far as. Are you talking more about the tracking?
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So yes, if you're using any kind of feedback from the body. So not specifically HRV biofeedback, but any other form of biofeedback have you used or. No, and that's fine.
[00:21:17] Speaker C: Yes. But most of it is along the lines now of allopathic type measurements to look at is what I'll utilize as far as I'll implement the other modulators and then assess it more along that line.
[00:21:32] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: And I guess anesthesiology is almost entirely based on that.
Yes.
So above and beyond that, what is your big plan, your big picture as you move forward with all of this knowledge that you have gained that you continue to gain?
[00:22:00] Speaker C: It's really implementing these things.
They all support HRV, but it's in the bigger picture. So like implementing hormetic stressors. So any of the near infrared type treatments as well as cold therapies so alternating those to optimize HRV utilizing nitric oxide as a means of. Because when you have low nitric oxide levels, then it blunts parasympathetic response. So optimizing that. And, of course, you can actually have too much. So there's a sweet spot with that. But there are breathing techniques and there are supplements, actually, that increase nitric oxide. So one of my favorites right now is pantadecanoic acid. So I'm favoring that.
Let's see. Some of the ashwagandha has been helpful going back to the pentadecanoic acid, because also it enhances your endocannabinoid system. And that's actually been known to help parasympathetic system. So I don't tend to lean more towards the CBDs, but enhancing it in different ways so that pentadecanoic acid fits the bill for that and mitochondrial function as well.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: Okay, I'm sorry. Let's go back there.
When you say going into pantodectin, decanoic acid.
So you're saying that is increasing nitric oxide. Is that correct?
[00:23:48] Speaker C: Yeah, it does.
[00:23:49] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:23:51] Speaker C: Systemically.
[00:23:53] Speaker D: Okay. All right.
[00:23:54] Speaker B: So that's increasing nitric oxide, which in turn is increasing parasympathetics.
And in turn, we would see that reflect on, like, HRV, or we would see that as vagal tone increasing as parasympathetics do rise up.
[00:24:08] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: So that would be very cool to see. These are the things I need to just be picking your brain nonstop about.
And is this something that you use yourself, then?
[00:24:22] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. And actually, the research on that comes from dolphins in the Navy and also from vets that were doing the research on it, because they were finding that dolphins were aging like humans were, and so they were developing things like fatty livers and also heart rate variability issues, cardiovascular type issue, vascular type issues. And you start to wonder, because now it gets blamed a lot on in our sad diet, the standard american diet with the sugars. But you don't have dolphins out there eating the sugars. So why are they developing this situation, especially with their liver? Well, dolphins typically eat a diet of about five different types of fish. One of them in particular that they end up eating more of as they're getting older is very low in the pentadechanoic acid. So it's C 15, FA 15. It's all known as the same thing. It's an OD chain, fatty acid saturated. Excuse me. Fatty acid that they're finding to fit the parameters of an essential fatty acid, which is kind of new within these last 90 years of a new finding for what it fits the parameters for, but they're actually seeing how it can reverse liver issues, cardiovascular issues, and then it also helps to increase heart rate support and heart rate variability.
[00:25:55] Speaker D: Really?
[00:25:56] Speaker B: Okay, so this is phenomenal.
And one thing that I have to go back to HRV end dolphins. Yeah. Okay.
Would you have any idea how that was obtained?
I'm extremely curious about this, actually.
[00:26:17] Speaker C: More so.
They were finding, though, too, that the dolphins in the captive were actually now outliving the ones in the wild, because, you know, mostly they say the ones that are captured, since they're not in their natural environment, will die sooner. They were actually finding that dolphins were living longer in captivity when they're fed appropriately. So then you're finding that they're getting the better fish sources that have the higher C 15 in them, and then they start tracking. But you can actually even their face, their skin, all of that was aging in that way as well there, too, as well as internally. So they just started doing biomarkers on the dolphins.
You can't not look at any type of species without looking at its heart and its function and how it affects the rest of the system.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: That is phenomenal. So they recognized this missing fatty acid in a dolphin's diet, and then they started giving it to them in captivity, and they had these results then.
[00:27:29] Speaker D: Is that correct?
[00:27:31] Speaker C: Out in the wild, the dolphins aren't getting. I mean, with their mainstay diet, they're eating a variety, but as they're getting older, they're finding more that they're eating the ones that have less of what they're used to eating with the pentadechanoic acid in it. The ones in captivity. Well, now, I mean, they're having to scavenge for that food when they're out in the wild. They're not having to scavenge when they're in captivity. So they're already being given. So they're getting more of it as opposed to being depleted out in the wild.
[00:27:59] Speaker D: Okay, man.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah. No, that's pretty amazing.
[00:28:06] Speaker C: Well, also, naked mole rats, not so much with the pentadechanoic acid, but all the studies that they've done with the naked mole rats and how their system is, because even though they're mammals, they tend to be quakelyothermic. So they respond in ways that have been studied quite a bit as far as sympathetic shutdown, reptilian responses in their nuclei, in the brain, which patterns what we're talking about for heart rate variability.
[00:28:42] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:28:43] Speaker B: Okay, fascinating.
[00:28:46] Speaker D: All right.
[00:28:47] Speaker B: And can we jump over to ashwagandha? So I'm sure most people who are listening have never even heard of ashwagandha.
So can you tell us what ashwagandha is and then how that is affecting our body?
[00:29:05] Speaker C: Ashwagandha is kind of like in the aerovedic health care system that they have.
Even though there isn't one thing that you call a panacea, it's almost what they do refer to as a panacea because it kind of covers everything. So it actually helps in so many different ways, but it actually help increase GABA, which that's another thing that I utilize, though, too, to help, because that supports parasympathetic.
So that's another avenue though, too. But it also supporting the HPA axis, all of the stress, because, you know, our biggest adaptability with stress based on the HRV and how our whole autonomic nervous system is responding is relative to that. So Ashwagandha helps support that system, helps support your adaptability to stresses, helps with sleep.
It has cardiovascular benefits as well, though, too. Vascular health can help with blood sugar, cellular response to insulin.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: So this is just an all around amazing thing to be taking. I feel like there's a number of supplements that are just a good idea for us all to be taking all the time. Right.
[00:30:27] Speaker C: Adaptogenic mushrooms are another category that are great. So things like Chaga, Rishi, cordyceps.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: Sorry, I'm trying to jot some of these things down.
[00:30:41] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: So when we get into the mushrooms like that, this is becoming, over the last several years, I feel like mushrooms have really been breaking onto the scene and being recognized for how powerful they are.
[00:30:59] Speaker D: Right.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: Probably over the last ten years or so, they've really been making a name for themselves.
[00:31:06] Speaker C: Here.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: YES, exactly. Here in the United States.
[00:31:10] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: Everywhere else, they already knew so many of these secrets already. Right.
But when we talk about different types of mushrooms and their positive health benefits, how does this work for us? Right. We are eating SomethiNg. We are eating a fungus, which most of us look at a fungus as a very negative thing. But then you hear that a mushroom steak has more protein than a regular steak. So how does this work with mushrooms?
[00:31:43] Speaker C: Not all mushrooms are created equal, and most people know mushroom is like agaricus, the white button mushroom, and it's more for your enhancing whatever you're eating. But things that have actually more Floyd or more on the medicinal aspect, they're adaptogens. And so those adaptogens are beautiful because they read your body so, like, let's say if you have an acute allergy to something, that's typically your ige that end up being activated and increased, but if you've got low level food type allergies, you've got your igGs that are like slow burners, but all of it is basically an underlying inflammatory response in your body. 1 may be more acute and the other a little more chronic. But the beautiful thing about some of these adaptogens, and some of them do different things in different systems, but they basically read you. So if you're running high with some of your markers, they help to balance you and bring you down. If you're running low and tend to get sick and colds and all of that, it tends to raise you. So you don't even have to tell it what to do. It knows what to do. It has its own innate sense to help you as far as immunologic. But things like Lion's mane now is really making it its name here for cognitive function. So even mainstream now is putting patients who have under the umbrellas of dementias and recommending things like lion's main with something like vinpocetine, for example, or stressing like the omegas, which the omegas actually have. Omega three in particular, helping also heart rate variability. They've done studies on that, but things like plasmaogens and the pentadecanoic acid actually are ten to 15 times have a greater benefit than the omega three.
You get more bang.
[00:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
And correct me if I'm wrong with this. Now, I know obviously eating anything fresh is best, but I have heard that with mushrooms, as far as sustainability, these things can hang out for a long time, storage wise, and not degrade in their nutritional content. Is that correct?
[00:34:05] Speaker C: Depends on the mushroom.
Yeah, I'd say it kind of depends on the mushroom.
[00:34:13] Speaker B: Some of it not always the case.
[00:34:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:34:19] Speaker C: You can throw your button mushrooms in the refrigerator and they only last so long, they will go bad.
[00:34:26] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: And maybe that was dried a certain way or something like that.
I have a friend who's very into his various mushroom mixes. He does a functional nutrition.
So, yeah, he dries them all, certainly, and encapsulates some and whatnot too. So that may be very different.
[00:34:50] Speaker C: Well, no, you can do that, and that's okay, because mushrooms know their basis is in spores, so they have an ability to lock themselves in and maintain for a long period of time if you prepare them that way. If you're just talking about keeping them raw. No, but if you're. I mean, Ron T. Gordon, he has a technology called fit technology, which is fingerprint identification technology transfer. And it basically, amongst all other preparations, will actually get it to almost 99% of what the food source is, mushrooms in particular, or the ginsenicides, as far as for your gingers or your ginsengs, to a 99% availability, which is almost unheard of in other supplementations that you'll have like 75%. He can get it up to 9%.
Really?
[00:35:51] Speaker B: That was fit technology, you said.
[00:35:54] Speaker C: I'm sorry, it's Fitt.
[00:35:58] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: Oh, that's pretty amazing.
[00:36:00] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: And mushrooms, another great thing too.
I learned probably five years ago how easy it is to grow them.
And it's actually kind of a fun process.
Drill into a log and encapsulate it, toss little food wax over, and then for me and toss them in the woods behind my house.
[00:36:25] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:36:26] Speaker C: And I don't know if you've read any of the works of Paul stamets.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: The mycologist, so I have heard of him, but I can't say I'm super familiar with any of his.
[00:36:41] Speaker C: I mean, he's known as the mushroom hunter, and I've been to a few symposiums that he's talked at. I've spoken with him a few times. He is a wealth of information as far as mushrooms and what they can really mean. Just somebody to look into if you're interested. And he actually has a line out there. Even whole Foods carries it.
Host defense is the mean. He's got individualizer blend forms, so he's got the rishis, the shagas, the mytakis, the shiatakis has it all. Yeah.
[00:37:19] Speaker B: Okay, well, that's pretty amazing. I'm going to have to look at him. And actually, I'm almost positive that's where I've heard him is either on a podcast or somebody else recommended that I use some of his products.
[00:37:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:33] Speaker B: Also, for anybody who's never tried it before, cutting a fresh mushroom right off of a log and eating it is like, it totally changes the way that you look at mushrooms. As far as the taste and flavors go, it's really amazing.
But I wanted to go back to cannabinoids. So you had mentioned the cannabinoid system, and then you began mentioning, I believe, CBD at some point too. But let's focus on just the cannabinoid system.
Are you familiar enough with or comfortable enough to explain how that system works? Because I think a lot of people don't even understand where we're at with cannabinoids in our body. And that that's a natural thing that is within our body already, that our body literally has a system for that.
[00:38:32] Speaker C: Are we talking relative to HRV?
[00:38:37] Speaker B: Just in general? Yeah, just in general.
[00:38:40] Speaker C: Oh, man.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: And sorry, I know that's a really.
[00:38:44] Speaker D: Big question.
[00:38:47] Speaker C: Kind of condensing it down. And the cannabinoid system is kind of, I mean, it's interlinked too with your limbic system as well as your autonomic nervous system. So you get a lot of influence between the two. And then also as far as vagus nerve and vagus nerve kind of spreads to everything. So now you're talking viscera. So you're talking about its effects in the system for, I mean, it affects mood, it affects your association with mood, and your body responds with that. So the connections with that endocannabinoid system is kind of like a communicator with that.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: So how does that work in terms of, and you're the perfect person to ask this, how does that work in terms of gating pain?
I've heard, and I'm sure you've heard this as well, people who have been on traditional painkillers and are not getting a response to that will switch over to something like CBD and say, oh my gosh, that was a total game changer.
How does that work?
[00:40:00] Speaker C: Well, I mean, the parts of the system that you're activating, you are dealing a little bit with substance P in that regard though too, in the modulation.
There actually is a cytokine relationship though too. So when you're decreasing some of your inflammatory markers also helps to modulate pain in that regard. There are some people though, where CBD actually has the opposite effect. So it will actually wire them horribly.
So you have to kind of mark the person and actually you can track them with HRV as well to see their response.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Awesome. And thank you for throwing an HRV on there with a CBD type product, as that's one of those products that has been getting so much fame and recognition all of a sudden, right? So much commercial interest.
There's all the different arguments about do you get full spectrum, do you get just a CBD?
Where do you purchase it to get quality? All of these things. And I know personally, I've heard and from everything that I've read, full spectrum seems to be the way to go.
And I know I have my brands that I prefer to send patients to direct patients towards.
But being that you're very familiar with these things, what is your take on all that?
[00:41:38] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I'm a little mixed with CBD, I mean, there's a lot of different hybrids on the different plants, so your content and your percentages are a little bit different. And weeding out the THC and the CBD and then the concentrations that you put it in with people's response to it, and some of it is actually gmoed. So now you're having a whole other issue though, too, with staying away from some of those just for that issue alone.
Does it help sleep? Does it help your RAs system? Does it help all of that? It can and it does, of course.
But long term effects is where I think people kind of jump the gun with wanting to do all of this too soon.
And I think there's ways you can do it. And now they're finding a way of micro dosing, and I'd rather see a micro dosing aspect of it than over a period of time than to help prime your system than to be giving them some of the higher concentrations or what would be considered normal concentrations. Now, with what's in some of the supplements, I do lean more towards the natural realm, but LDM, low dose naltrexone is really something that is showing incredible use for so many different things, bypassing CBD and having better effect with people with chronic pain issues, lyme, fibromyalgias, autoimmunes, all of that. And the benefit that people are getting from really low dose nalstraxone over the CBDs with less complication, I tend to lean towards that.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: Really?
[00:43:29] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:43:31] Speaker C: And I'm not a big pusher of the medications, but I'm just saying when you need something, and again, when you've got somebody that's suffering for a long period of time, or they're not finding things and they keep trying things, sometimes you intervene with something to give them a little bit of benefit and then just enough to perk them up so that their system can really start healing.
[00:43:52] Speaker D: Awesome.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I really like that.
Indeed. Got to stimulate the system so it can do what it was meant to do, right?
[00:44:00] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:02] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:44:04] Speaker B: And as we're on the realm of supplements here, what are some of your other favorite supplements that you love?
[00:44:17] Speaker C: So I mentioned a few of them, like the plasmalogens, the FA 15.
Oh, peptides. Love me some peptides.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: Okay, well, you're going to have to explain these things because plasma, what is that? FA 15, what is that?
[00:44:39] Speaker C: These are fats. But the work comes from Dr. Gooden now. And he started out his research, I think it's a little over three decades, and he has a research lab, an institute. I'm not quite remembering the name off the top of my head, but it started out with Alzheimer's.
But he was finding, especially when you're looking at the markers for the blood markers and the lipid markers for total cholesterol. And I don't know if this is going to be a bad thing to say or if I'm going to get in trouble. As far as how we label, whether it's HDL and LDL and one is good and one is bad, they're neither. They serve a purpose in the body at certain levels. And you need both of them, just like you need sympathetics and you need parasympathetics in balance. So if you are out of balance with that and you start seeing those, then you have other cycleia that happen, whether it's the heart disease factors, but cholesterol isn't what it is put out there as. And the numbers and the values that they say are bad and to keep it under are not good either. So I think that's a little off.
But having said that, that also throws off all of your other ratios and plasma allergens they have found as far as for support, because Alzheimer's though, too, it's really purported as far as like it's the amyloid plaques. But then some people are saying chicken or egg, is it because it is come up with to protect your brain that you're developing these plaques. It's not a byproduct of.
And they're also finding the studies about that. It's not supporting that even people that have some of the plaques or they're taking medications that are decreasing the plaques that they're still having the symptomatology that's progressing through Alzheimer's. So how much is link really there? So coming at it from a backdoor approach with some of these other fatty acids, you're actually finding that it is balancing out your lipid profile. And you're altering brain in the process, though, too, whether it's with Parkinson's, whether it's with Alzheimer's, really.
[00:47:05] Speaker B: So this can be both preventative and used for somebody who is actively in a degeneration state or degenerating.
[00:47:15] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:47:16] Speaker C: And then throwing back in there, going back to, again, the pentadechanoic acid, because the benefit of that is that since it's an OD chain fatty acid, how it penetrates the cell membranes, it doesn't oxidize, so it stays stable, so it strengthens your cell and your cell membrane. So that's how it's also reversing other conditions because you're a bunch of cells.
A lot of times people are using things like phosphatidal choline in order to benefit cell membrane, which is great. And you got a lot of fat in your brain too.
But some of the things that they're purporting to use aren't necessarily the best. And they also have some side effects that go along with it.
Taking the supplement form, because you can find the C 15 in butter and ghee, but the amount that you would have to eat, you would get a lot of the problems and side effects of that for the amount that you need. Taking it in the supplement form, I find to be the way to start reversing some disease processes and restoring things. And the stability of this product is amazing.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: Oh, really? All right, you've convinced me. I'm going to order something.
Another thing I wanted to say, with the cholesterol, no, you are in good company.
No, that is not a thing at all.
And I am 100% on board with you on that. Our body produces everything for a reason. Right. There's a reason why we have all of these things.
It's what we choose to do to our bodies that maybe sets the stage for a negative outcome.
And yes, the numbers might be a little tilted to help certain industries. Possibly.
[00:49:17] Speaker C: You said it better than I did. Yes.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: So then you had mentioned a FA 15.
[00:49:28] Speaker C: FA 15, the C 15, that's the pentadecanoic acid, all the same thing. But other people know it as different things.
[00:49:36] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:49:37] Speaker C: If they're researching it or if they're looking into it, I'm just throwing out the names.
[00:49:41] Speaker D: Okay. All right.
[00:49:47] Speaker C: And it's written C 150.
[00:49:51] Speaker D: Okay.
All right. Excellent.
[00:49:59] Speaker B: Yeah. These are some interesting things that I have to go and check out.
Say, for a general person, your average person, who just wants to be on some good supplements. Right.
I get the question all the time, what's a good multivitamin for me to be on? And I say, I don't know if there really is one.
[00:50:21] Speaker C: There is one.
[00:50:22] Speaker B: So what would you recommend?
[00:50:24] Speaker C: There is a product that I really do like. It also comes from earth minerals, but it's liquid form. And the company is. I don't know. I'm giving out a lot of plugs here and I don't know if I.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: Oh, no, you're fine.
[00:50:38] Speaker C: Beam minerals, they have got a mineral liquid form and they have a electrolyte and the combination of the two, because that was the other thing I was going to say in order to also optimize heart rate variability in autonomic nervous system function. It's the micro minerals that we're finding where people don't even realize the depletion that they have in their system, whether it's molybdium or even the finer ones. How people have things off as far as. Or taking zinc supplements, how much they don't know. It throws off copper. And even though copper is very. There's a narrow window for it. But even the slightest amount of being low can give off a lot of different symptoms that people don't realize. But supporting it through folvic acid zeolites in that form. So beam has got both of those. And I find. And if you want to just take something that. All right. Baseline. Just to get you. All right. I'm going to give myself something that at least going to start giving back and rebalancing some of my depletions, I would do that. And it's in the liquid form. You've got better bioavailability as.
[00:51:51] Speaker B: Okay, very interesting. So it's crazy that you brought that. Just. Are you familiar with Dr. Rachel Fabi?
[00:52:01] Speaker C: I'm not sure.
[00:52:06] Speaker B: She has many degrees as well, but she's actually obtaining another degree at the school. So I think she might be in some of the MD classes alongside you for some of these, too.
But she was just talking to me about Dr. Luis Edwards. I was just trying to pull it up, and she is a specialist in all of the different bone salts and all of was she was talking to me about all of these things that you were just mentioning. How funny is that?
Apparently I was meant to hear these things, but, yeah, I'm going to actually look at that.
[00:52:50] Speaker C: There's also another product that I wouldn't necessarily. I mean, especially people with allergies.
Quinton has a 0.9 solution, so the normal saline type level or the 3.3 hypertonic solution, and it comes in little vials. So especially, like, no Gatorade, especially if you're working out, that's not good electrolytes, especially with the colors, all the blues and the oranges, you can take little shots of those. And that's a fast way to give yourself more of the electrolytes as well, though, too. So I usually carry some of those around with me, too. But you find, like, people who are in the midst of a. Because also, when you've got high stress, your kidneys respond to the low sodium, so if you want to, that's why they'll sprinkle a little bit of celtic sea salt in water. And if you're sipping it, it helps to replenish your cortisol balancing system.
Taking this actually helps. So if you're also in the midst of having an allergic reaction, not talking like an anaphylactic type reaction, but hay fever or sneezing, runny nose, if you start taking some of these little shots, kind of clears you up, really.
[00:54:07] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:54:09] Speaker B: That's another great one to add to this. I have a whole page of notes here with that one. You also got me thinking too.
I exercise a lot.
I do a lot of very intense exercise.
And I know that it's our amino acid depletion that tends to happen prior to anything else.
So I will oftentimes sip on an amino acid complex while I'm exercising, while I'm doing an incense training session of some kind.
And what you have me thinking with this is maybe that's something that I should be adding in addition to my amino acid complex.
[00:54:56] Speaker C: And I would actually throw out there though too, because I know you said you're using it when you're working out.
[00:55:03] Speaker D: Correct.
[00:55:04] Speaker C: I would either do it like may switch the timing of that to do it after or do it right before you go to bed. Because when you're repairing is when you want to utilize and it's not necessarily while you're in the midst of working out that you're getting the best utilization.
[00:55:21] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: So doing a lot more of that after as well.
[00:55:25] Speaker C: After or before you go to bed because that's your repair time.
[00:55:28] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay.
[00:55:29] Speaker B: And that makes perfect sense.
[00:55:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Especially in the window between. Is it eleven and one? For growth hormone release is natural. Its own little circadian rhythm. That's its best time frame. So people who are going to bed late are missing that window of repair.
[00:55:46] Speaker B: Oh, look at that.
Yes. Another reason why everybody should go to bed at 08:00 like I do.
[00:55:57] Speaker C: Children.
[00:56:02] Speaker B: Okay, we've covered a lot of ground here.
Before we go and leave this call, is there anything else that you wanted to mention?
[00:56:20] Speaker C: I think we covered so much and there can be so much more as far as little things that weren't talked about, more supplements, more machines, more tracking.
This is not.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: That'S a, that's, conversations like this could go on for.
Well, well, Lori, I wanted to thank you so much for your time and coming on and talking, and talking overall health with me. Not just HRV, not just biofeedback, but overall health and especially dialing into some of these supplements here.
That was some great information that now I have to go look up a bunch of this stuff. So I'm very excited to do that. And I'm sure all of our listeners are very grateful for your time as well. Thank you.
Thank you so much. And I'm very excited to see where these conversations go.
And when I see you next week, I'm going to pick your brain a little bit more and then I might say, let's have you back on and talk about that.
[00:57:27] Speaker C: I would love to. Thank you so much.
[00:57:29] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: Well, excellent. I'm going to go ahead and say goodbye for now.
[00:57:36] Speaker C: Take care.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: I'm just.
[00:57:43] Speaker D: Asking.
Sorry, Laurie.
[00:57:54] Speaker B: I'm trying figure out how to.
[00:57:57] Speaker C: I was going to say we didn't get into the peptides.
[00:58:00] Speaker B: We missed a lot.
[00:58:06] Speaker D: I am so sorry. There we go.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Stop recording.
